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#16 Kikya

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Posted 28 November 2021 - 07:07 AM

I disagree, a child aged 5 and above may have most of their impulse control etc. sorted, but it's certainly NOT a done deal. Trust me, and talk to a teenager lol. It's not until around 7-8 that they will start to understand properly the link between actions and longer consequences, older than that and they understand it and will use it, but impulse control is still an issue with kids up to even age 25! There's a sort of dip in the middle where they are actually reasonable, but 13 are unreasonable xD. So I would say that less than age 5 maybe a kid is having a tantum because the world isn't right for them at that moment. 5 and above, to maybe 10, a kid throwing a tantrum is doing it for effect because they know it will get them, so YES parents need to deal with this, but it's not saying the kid is developmentally impaired and they are certainly not trying to break the family :)

I understand you like to be contrary on any topic we discuss but this isn't just about impulse control, this is aggression. Aggression starts to show itself in kids as young as 2 and if they don't get it under control by age five, there are serious consequences to their behavior and mental health and how they are able to form bonds with other kids and adults. If a child doesn't learn delayed gratification by a very young age it's unlikely they will ever master it fully. If a child doesn't learn tantrums don't get you your way at an early age, that child will use those same manipulation tactics forever on. It gets dug into their neuro pathways and it's extremely hard to root out without some major psychological help. Their brains start losing so much elasticity and the pathways in their brains start to solidify. This is its so easy for a child under 5 to learn a complete language or two by 5 after that it becomes much more difficult. She didn't say the age of her sister but if she's being that manipulative already, there's a big problem. Of course she can't fix it, only her parents can but like alot of people, they probably think a child will naturally grow out of this kind of behavior. They don't. It gets worse the more it's allowed or reinforced by capitulation.

I mean do I really need to start linking the countless studies on developmental growth between the ages of 1-4? I've read a ton of them and it's pretty clear that the outcomes for children who don't get socialized and civilized enough by age 5 are not good.

Raising 4 boys of my own, I can say for sure the most important developmental age and rapid brain growth happens before age 5. It's the foundation from which a child builds all other lessons on. It's so critical to take the right steps during those ages. And yes any child who hasn't learn those critical skills is developmentally behind. Period. I mean, that's not even up for debate.

Edited by Kikya, 28 November 2021 - 07:11 AM.

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Posted 28 November 2021 - 09:04 AM

I understand you like to be contrary on any topic we discuss 

 

 

No, this isn't true. I disagree with a number of people on a number of topics, and I'll say it when it occurs. I am not in any way "liking to be contrary" on your topics. I just saw a thing and didn't agree with it. Please don't try to make this into a personal issue. I would (as any other member would probably happily agree) call out any point, topic, opinion, etc.

 

 

Anyway, to continue: I have, interestingly enough, also read many articles/studies/etc. on child behaviour, and I'll stick by my point of no, it's not fixed by 5 years old. HOWEVER, by age 5 you might start seeing traits which suggest some other issue such as ADHD, autism, bipolar, etc. etc. Until they're old enough you can't start assessing for these things. If this OP's  sister is - I dunno - 8 years old and still having these massive tantrums then I would honestly be thinking about having her assessed for what is causing this distress. It could simply be that she is getting overwhelmed by a situation that she can't control and doesn't have an outlet for that other than just having a tantrum. If she's 5/6 then I'd say it's normal for the age. It's on a cusp of what's "normal" and what isn't. If she's in the 8-10 age bracket and still acting out like this then I'd definitely be looking for help.

 

What we don't know here from the OP is what the parents are like. Is this a case of "give the kids a good telling off because they don't know how to behave", or is it "parents are trying everything they can, but child's brain just doesn't work that way"?

 

 

.... but to go back to the start: I really hope you don't think that I am  in some way deliberately going out of my way to disagree with you specifically on topics. I mean no offence here, but I really really do not care enough about you, or anyone on this forum to pick them out and try to be contrary. I genuinely did not even look at the account name when I quoted and replied. I could be you or anyone, I'd still say the same thing. Again, no offence, but you're not getting special treatment here :) 


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Posted 28 November 2021 - 10:12 AM

No, this isn't true. I disagree with a number of people on a number of topics, and I'll say it when it occurs. I am not in any way "liking to be contrary" on your topics. I just saw a thing and didn't agree with it. Please don't try to make this into a personal issue. I would (as any other member would probably happily agree) call out any point, topic, opinion, etc.

 

 

Anyway, to continue: I have, interestingly enough, also read many articles/studies/etc. on child behaviour, and I'll stick by my point of no, it's not fixed by 5 years old. HOWEVER, by age 5 you might start seeing traits which suggest some other issue such as ADHD, autism, bipolar, etc. etc. Until they're old enough you can't start assessing for these things. If this OP's  sister is - I dunno - 8 years old and still having these massive tantrums then I would honestly be thinking about having her assessed for what is causing this distress. It could simply be that she is getting overwhelmed by a situation that she can't control and doesn't have an outlet for that other than just having a tantrum. If she's 5/6 then I'd say it's normal for the age. It's on a cusp of what's "normal" and what isn't. If she's in the 8-10 age bracket and still acting out like this then I'd definitely be looking for help.

 

What we don't know here from the OP is what the parents are like. Is this a case of "give the kids a good telling off because they don't know how to behave", or is it "parents are trying everything they can, but child's brain just doesn't work that way"?

 

 

.... but to go back to the start: I really hope you don't think that I am  in some way deliberately going out of my way to disagree with you specifically on topics. I mean no offence here, but I really really do not care enough about you, or anyone on this forum to pick them out and try to be contrary. I genuinely did not even look at the account name when I quoted and replied. I could be you or anyone, I'd still say the same thing. Again, no offence, but you're not getting special treatment here :)

I meant we as in the "royal we" as in everyone on HH. Not me specifically. I have a tendency to say "you" and "we" in general terms. I meant you like to take the opposite opinion on many topics, almost like playing the devil's advocate. and you do like to say "no offense" when you are about to say something offensive lol (again not just to me but I have seen it multiple times) That's usually a sign of someone who likes to be contrary. Is your real name Mary, by chance? lol

 

Also, behavioral issues like ADHD don't just appear out of nowhere. Not being "neurotypical" can be traced back improper child development/socialization most of time. If a child is unlikable and uncooperative with adults and other children, it directly affects their development. A parents job is to help their child understand these basic concepts before the other children reject him/her.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2242642/

https://childandfamilyblog.com/play-deprivation-early-child-development/



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Posted 28 November 2021 - 10:30 AM

I meant we as in the "royal we" as in everyone on HH. Not me specifically. I have a tendency to say "you" and "we" in general terms. I meant you like to take the opposite opinion on many topics, almost like playing the devil's advocate. and you do like to say "no offense" when you are about to say something offensive lol (again not just to me but I have seen it multiple times) That's usually a sign of someone who likes to be contrary. Is your real name Mary, by chance? lol

 

Also, behavioral issues like ADHD don't just appear out of nowhere. Not being "neurotypical" can be traced back improper child development/socialization most of time. If a child is unlikable and uncooperative with adults and other children, it directly affects their development. A parents job is to help their child understand these basic concepts before the other children reject him/her.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2242642/

https://childandfamilyblog.com/play-deprivation-early-child-development/

 

No, this isn't true. I disagree with a number of people on a number of topics, and I'll say it when it occurs. I am not in any way "liking to be contrary" on your topics. I just saw a thing and didn't agree with it. Please don't try to make this into a personal issue. I would (as any other member would probably happily agree) call out any point, topic, opinion, etc.

 

 

Anyway, to continue: I have, interestingly enough, also read many articles/studies/etc. on child behaviour, and I'll stick by my point of no, it's not fixed by 5 years old. HOWEVER, by age 5 you might start seeing traits which suggest some other issue such as ADHD, autism, bipolar, etc. etc. Until they're old enough you can't start assessing for these things. If this OP's  sister is - I dunno - 8 years old and still having these massive tantrums then I would honestly be thinking about having her assessed for what is causing this distress. It could simply be that she is getting overwhelmed by a situation that she can't control and doesn't have an outlet for that other than just having a tantrum. If she's 5/6 then I'd say it's normal for the age. It's on a cusp of what's "normal" and what isn't. If she's in the 8-10 age bracket and still acting out like this then I'd definitely be looking for help.

 

What we don't know here from the OP is what the parents are like. Is this a case of "give the kids a good telling off because they don't know how to behave", or is it "parents are trying everything they can, but child's brain just doesn't work that way"?

 

 

.... but to go back to the start: I really hope you don't think that I am  in some way deliberately going out of my way to disagree with you specifically on topics. I mean no offence here, but I really really do not care enough about you, or anyone on this forum to pick them out and try to be contrary. I genuinely did not even look at the account name when I quoted and replied. I could be you or anyone, I'd still say the same thing. Again, no offence, but you're not getting special treatment here :)

If you guys are looking for a more specific age its 6-9 y.o. hope it helps!


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Posted 29 November 2021 - 11:07 PM

update  on  "unicorn":she  is doing better! and like me stressed  out  for our SE....



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Posted 30 November 2021 - 11:27 PM

I respectfully disagree. If a child hasn't figured out by age 5 that throwing tantrums is not an appropriate way to respond or communicate, that child is developmentally behind. Sure, children do occasionally have an issue but for this to be persistent and common, there is something wrong.
 
Socialization for a child should be mostly complete by age 5, because after that the child's brain and development slows down significantly (compared to the first 5 years). The first 5 years of life is critical for children to learn impulse control, control over their emotions and the proper ways to communicate. To not learn these things causes problems for children in more ways than just annoying their siblings, it also causes them to be rejected by society, having a hard time making and keeping friendships, and generally being rejected by adults who should be teaching them valuable life skills (not just their parents). It's the parents job to make their child understand that behavior like that is not acceptable and to learn self control.
 
Unless her sibling is less than 5, she's not acting in a developmentally appropriate way. She mentioned she's in school so obviously, she's older than 5.
 
The longer her parents wait to teach her these lessons the more likely she is to have behavioral issues for her entire life. It's not easy, it's one of the hardest things about being a parent. Kids don't grow out these things, they grow into them unless your parents put a stop to it.



I disagree, have you SEEN my old HH (and discord) posts?!




In all seriousness, if your sister is 5<, thts is the fun little kid life. They’re figuring out life, and that takes trial and error with a lot of screaming! If your sister is >5 then it becomes an issue,(keep in mind every kid is different, so this just mag be her normal) but not really something you can fix, this is left up to your parents, so, maybe talk to them? I’m not sure.
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Posted 16 May 2022 - 01:06 PM

Heyy! I just wanted to update you that "unicorn" is getting better. She rarely has tantrums now..