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#1 Taxonomist

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Posted 15 September 2015 - 12:12 PM

Please note that HH does not encourage deliberate breeding of hamsters. This section is to be used only for answering questions relating to accidental breeding of hamsters and how to cope with the situation.  Any discussion of or questions about intentional breeding are not allowed and will be removed.
 
 
 
The above is forum policy regarding intentional breeding.  But why is this policy in place?
 
It's not that breeding is bad.  Without breeding, there would be no hamsters.  However, we believe that breeding is something that needs to be taken very seriously, and we want our forum values to reflect that. 
 
We do not teach people how to breed (even properly), because we cannot control whose hands that information falls into. Hamster Hideout is a public forum. Both members and non-members of all life situations can view anything posted here. We do not want to be responsible for someone unprepared trying to breed their hamsters because they "learned how from Hamster Hideout." We simply do not want that liability.
 
It takes a very particular set of skills and knowledge to responsibly breed hamsters.  It is not something the average hamster owner should be attempting.  To responsibly breed hamsters, a person MUST have ALL of the following traits:
 
An extremely strong understanding of hamster husbandry (behavior, diet, health)
 
A person should be a hamster expert before even attempting to breed.  This means being very comfortable with all aspects of hamster care.  They need to understand what kinds of behavior are and are not normal, because this will help them to recognize a sick animal.  They need to have an excellent understanding of diet and nutrition, as these topics are very important for pregnant and nursing mothers.  They must be comfortable with difficult aspects of hamster care - handling skittish / aggressive hamsters, scruffing, trimming nails, checking teeth, giving medicine, and other such tasks.
 
A strong understanding of genetics (both basic genetics and hamster-specific genetics)
 
Genetics are critical to breeding.  Responsible breeders breed with the aim of bettering the species and producing healthy, hearty animals.  You have to understand what types of crosses are dangerous or inadvisable and identify individuals that shouldn't be bred.  For example, breeding two hamsters with the "white bellied" gene can result in pups known as anophthalmic whites.  (Note that a hamster can have this gene without physically having a white belly).  These pups are born with no eyes, and often have other significant health issues and reduced lifespans.  And that's just one example of what can go wrong.  Breeding without thought to genetics is careless, irresponsible, and selfish.
 
The ability to get quality stock animals from a reputable hamster breeder 
 
This goes along with genetics.  Hamsters from pet shops or rescues should generally not be bred, because they come from unknown lineages.  There is no way of knowing if that hamster has some underlying genetic issue it could pass onto its offspring.  Reputable breeders often travel for hours to get quality stock animals from other breeders.  Not willing to put in that kind of effort?  Reconsider breeding.
 
A reliable source of income
 
Keeping hamsters costs money.  Breeding costs even more, because by default there will be more hamsters produced.  A breeder also need to be prepared to keep pups in the event they cannot find homes for them.  That means having multiple cages, wheels, and other equipment.  Breeding isn't something that's going to be manageable on an allowance or even a very limited part-time job.
 
Ready access to a quality exotic vet
 
Vet care is mandatory for hamsters.  If someone cannot take your hamster to a vet, they cannot breed.  If they cannot afford anything other than a basic checkup, they cannot breed.  Pregnancy and birth can be dangerous times for a female, and vet care may be the difference between life and death of mother and litter.  Breeding without vet care available is cruel and irresponsible.
 
Excellent recordkeeping and organizational skills
 
Responsible breeders keep detailed records of their litters.  Keeping track of dates, weight gain of the mother, growth and development of the pups...it's a lot of paperwork.  It's a lot more complicated than just sticking hamsters together and letting them mate.
 
 
 
Breeding is not a game.  It is something that should be taken very seriously.  Failing to do so can result in suffering and death.  If a person cannot fulfill all of the above qualities, they cannot be a responsible breeder.

Edited by Taxonomist, 21 September 2015 - 12:54 AM.

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Posted 15 September 2015 - 12:59 PM

This is excellent Tax! This is a very important topic, and you did a great job of covering it. It's sad how many people breed when they don't know what they're doing. I saw an ad on Craigslist that said "We let our kids 2 Syrian hamsters breed", this honestly broke my heart to see these poor hams being bred just because the people wanted hamster pups... They deserve better :(
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Posted 15 September 2015 - 04:56 PM

This is a brilliant guide Tax :) I agree with ChibiHamsters, it is upsetting to see how many people breed their hamster without the proper knowledge. It is comforting, though, to know that there are people who take the time and care to safely breed hamsters.


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Posted 15 September 2015 - 09:45 PM

Great job, Tax! People need to know how serious breeding is!
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Posted 16 September 2015 - 03:44 AM

Amazing Tax! You've done it again! This is a very important, and serious.

I was just wondering...is there a risk of the mother dying after giving birth?



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Posted 16 September 2015 - 04:03 AM

Amazing Tax! You've done it again! This is a very important, and serious.

I was just wondering...is there a risk of the mother dying after giving birth?

 

Absolutely.  Giving birth and nursing pups takes a ton of energy out of the mother.  Combine that with a careless breeding (mother is not fit to be bred - too young, too old, mildly malnourished, sick, etc.) and you have a recipe for disaster.



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Posted 16 September 2015 - 04:19 AM

Absolutely.  Giving birth and nursing pups takes a ton of energy out of the mother.  Combine that with a careless breeding (mother is not fit to be bred - too young, too old, mildly malnourished, sick, etc.) and you have a recipe for disaster.

I completely agree with Tax, you did a great job on this topic and yes that combined with careless breeding does become completely equivalent to disaster.



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Posted 16 September 2015 - 04:43 AM

Amazing Tax! You've done it again! This is a very important, and serious.

I was just wondering...is there a risk of the mother dying after giving birth?

Adding onto what Tax mentioned, sometimes a pregnancy might not take, and she has a phantom pregnancy. Often, these can lead to pyometra or other uterine problems which, if untreated, will kill the hamster. 


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Posted 16 September 2015 - 02:17 PM

Breeding just for the sake of breeding is not worth the heart break.  If you breed you will lose animals at some point.  Litters, females, injuries due to fights from putting animals together for breeding.  I just lost a hedgehog sow who last winter started to go into hibernation at the time she had a litter.  Turns out while the room temp was fine and her individual cage thermometer said it was fine the one cage wall touched the exterior house wall and the wall itself became cold.  It was enough to trigger hibernation despite all our thermometers saying air temp was plenty warm.  She lost the litter but acted normal after we warmed her up and increased lighting to help counter hibernation.  The only symptom she had was that she failed to get pregnant twice.  When we decided we should investigate the cause in case there was a health issue it was already too late.  A lot of money and effort later she died.  She was one of our friendliest hedgehogs. 

 

The story is not unique to hedgehogs and I can name every animal I have lost since I was a teenager.  I have bred pedigreed show rabbits (last one I lost was a lilac netherland dwarf doe who got a kit stuck and was found dead the next morning), pedigreed show guinea pigs (the last one that died was a red roan pup I put down at 3 days old because she had a heart issue and supportive care was barely keeping her alive), and now I breed pedigreed chinchillas.  Even the ones that survive sometimes hurt.  It took 2 years for a young female chinchilla to not break down crying around humans because she got attacked by her partner and had to have medication and an abscess on her tail cleaned daily.  She hated people for a long time and I wasn't sure if she would ever recover mentally.  It was so sad to listen to her high pitched cry and we wanted to just keep stuffing treats at her every time we were around to make her happier.  Finally she paired up with a very human friendly, similar aged female and now she will yell and threaten you if you open the cage but does not cry and will beg for treats through bars.  I still have to have my husband remove her from the cage when I am ready to clean it because I was the one who treated her tail.  Things go wrong so fast and have permanent consequences on living things.


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Posted 16 September 2015 - 11:35 PM

Breeding just for the sake of breeding is not worth the heart break.  If you breed you will lose animals at some point.  Litters, females, injuries due to fights from putting animals together for breeding.  I just lost a hedgehog sow who last winter started to go into hibernation at the time she had a litter.  Turns out while the room temp was fine and her individual cage thermometer said it was fine the one cage wall touched the exterior house wall and the wall itself became cold.  It was enough to trigger hibernation despite all our thermometers saying air temp was plenty warm.  She lost the litter but acted normal after we warmed her up and increased lighting to help counter hibernation.  The only symptom she had was that she failed to get pregnant twice.  When we decided we should investigate the cause in case there was a health issue it was already too late.  A lot of money and effort later she died.  She was one of our friendliest hedgehogs. 

 

The story is not unique to hedgehogs and I can name every animal I have lost since I was a teenager.  I have bred pedigreed show rabbits (last one I lost was a lilac netherland dwarf doe who got a kit stuck and was found dead the next morning), pedigreed show guinea pigs (the last one that died was a red roan pup I put down at 3 days old because she had a heart issue and supportive care was barely keeping her alive), and now I breed pedigreed chinchillas.  Even the ones that survive sometimes hurt.  It took 2 years for a young female chinchilla to not break down crying around humans because she got attacked by her partner and had to have medication and an abscess on her tail cleaned daily.  She hated people for a long time and I wasn't sure if she would ever recover mentally.  It was so sad to listen to her high pitched cry and we wanted to just keep stuffing treats at her every time we were around to make her happier.  Finally she paired up with a very human friendly, similar aged female and now she will yell and threaten you if you open the cage but does not cry and will beg for treats through bars.  I still have to have my husband remove her from the cage when I am ready to clean it because I was the one who treated her tail.  Things go wrong so fast and have permanent consequences on living things.

This is another great point why just random average hamster owners should NOT breed animals, absolutely so many things can go wrong, not only that but if you're breeding, you might be in it for the money and that's NOT okay. (Please note-I am not saying Kaliska is in this for money-I am mentioning that so many other people are)

 

So many things can happen and if you are breeding the RIGHT way than you might only end up with no profits but more bills, and maybe only a profit of 50 cents, okay. So much money would have to go into this, and you would have to have exotic vets, vet bills money- I know the average owner does not have money for 16+ hamster and hamster cages, the bedding, the food, the space, or even the time.



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Posted 17 September 2015 - 07:17 AM

Thank you for posting this! I think it's absolutely necessary for people to know all of this before they even think about breeding any of their hamsters. Great job on what you wrote, hopefully this will clear up confusion for people that think they can just breed animals randomly, or for the profit. No animal deserves to suffer under the careless action of humans. Thanks again!  :thumbsup:  



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Posted 24 September 2015 - 12:16 AM

Great post, it's sad to see how people breed just because they want to see 'cute pups', it's cruel and should never be done.


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Posted 16 October 2015 - 06:59 AM

Well said:running:



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Posted 16 October 2015 - 07:32 AM

This is excellent! 



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Posted 16 October 2015 - 10:01 AM

Why do unprofessional breeders have to breed? There are so many hamster waiting for homes ):  


Edited by Hamsters107, 16 October 2015 - 10:01 AM.