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#16 Kikya

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Posted 20 November 2021 - 04:48 AM

I'm pretty sure that you can only be held liable for talking about someone else's medical information if you are working in healthcare. HIPAA only covers medical business/professionals disclosing information to a 3rd party not say a restaurant asking for vaccine status.

Yeah you should protect information up to a certain point but saying you are vaccinated literally means nothing, we have no way of even knowing if anyone is telling the truth it is the internet after all!

Actually, HIPAA is only one law protected medical/personal information. Do you think that a restaurant employee doesn't have an obligation to keep your personal information private because it's not a medical business? There are many laws in the US covering privacy and protection of private information. Also, children are a completely different topic, since they cannot technically consent to release of any information without their parents.

 

You guys can keep trying to justify why children should be sharing their personal medical information online with a bunch of strangers but the fact of the matter is, they shouldn't. Period, End of story.

 

As adults you can decide what to do with your own information, that's on you.

 

Kids, please please please, remember that what you put on the internet never goes away. Even if you delete it, it can be retrieved.


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Posted 20 November 2021 - 05:01 AM

Actually, HIPAA is only one law protected medical/personal information. Do you think that a restaurant employee doesn't have an obligation to keep your personal information private because it's not a medical business? There are many laws in the US covering privacy and protection of private information. Also, children are a completely different topic, since they cannot technically consent to release of any information without their parents.

 

You guys can keep trying to justify why children should be sharing their personal medical information online with a bunch of strangers but the fact of the matter is, they shouldn't. Period, End of story.

 

As adults you can decide what to do with your own information, that's on you.

 

Yep, 100% people should share what they are comfortable with :) But just another reminder: the world is NOT just the US. A lot of people on this forum aren't from the US, your laws don't apply. I mean, seriously, the forum was set up for Singaporean members, and there's a lot of European members, people from all parts of Asia, etc.... It's also not just kids. There are a LOT of older members. Sure, they might not be the ones making dramatic posts about their personal lives, but we're here. 

 

Either way, this was just an innocent question asking if people had been vaccinated. Sure, in the US maybe you're really protective about that data? But over here (and pretty much everywhere else) it's sorta standard that you have to be able to display it. Kid or adult. It's not some secretive data that people hide away or consent to release, it's literally a label you have to be able to display if you want to do normal stuff. So the idea that someone shouldn't ask this in a topic because you (in the US) have a law against sharing vaccine data(??) is only relevant for the underage US folks here. And also.... good luck with visiting anywhere in the EU lol if you won't disclose vaccine info xD xD None of this meant in offence, just genuinely pointing out a difference between our approaches - you have clearly approached this topic with the idea that everyone is in the US system, which isn't the case :)

 

Just again, final thought: the US isn't everything :) there are other places in the world and other countries where members come from and things are different :) 


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Posted 20 November 2021 - 05:49 AM

Hello,

 

I just wanted to say that I do agree with IsAnyoneThere, but Kikya also had great points. :valentine:
 

Personally my parents are okay with me saying if I’m vaccinated or not, but if your parents aren’t comfortable please listen to them. 

Please stay safe on the internet! :heartbeat:

 

Also just wanted to add; I agree where IAT said that not everyone’s in America, this forum was actually created for Singaporean members (I believe, correct me if I am wrong) and a couple of times I’ve seen members in the U.S making it seem a lot like everyone is in America. 
 

I think Kikya had the best intentions for us. My! You’re like a mother to our forum, I couldn’t imagine it without you, thanks for trying to keep us safe. :goodvibes:

 

However if this is how it is in the U.S, then maybe you should keep your vaccination status private (please tell me if I am wrong on this).

 

You can always edit your post and ask people to delete the quote if you decide to keep it private.

 

I wish you all the best!



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Posted 20 November 2021 - 05:51 AM

Yep, 100% people should share what they are comfortable with :) But just another reminder: the world is NOT just the US. A lot of people on this forum aren't from the US, your laws don't apply. I mean, seriously, the forum was set up for Singaporean members, and there's a lot of European members, people from all parts of Asia, etc.... It's also not just kids. There are a LOT of older members. Sure, they might not be the ones making dramatic posts about their personal lives, but we're here. 

 

Either way, this was just an innocent question asking if people had been vaccinated. Sure, in the US maybe you're really protective about that data? But over here (and pretty much everywhere else) it's sorta standard that you have to be able to display it. Kid or adult. It's not some secretive data that people hide away or consent to release, it's literally a label you have to be able to display if you want to do normal stuff. So the idea that someone shouldn't ask this in a topic because you (in the US) have a law against sharing vaccine data(??) is only relevant for the underage US folks here. And also.... good luck with visiting anywhere in the EU lol if you won't disclose vaccine info xD xD None of this meant in offence, just genuinely pointing out a difference between our approaches - you have clearly approached this topic with the idea that everyone is in the US system, which isn't the case :)

 

Just again, final thought: the US isn't everything :) there are other places in the world and other countries where members come from and things are different :)

Yes, but the kid in question was from the US.

 

Also, laws regarding children's privacy are pretty similar no matter which country you are from, parents are the only people allowed to released children's information. I can pretty much guarantee that if you go around releasing your students information, you'll be in big trouble, even in the UK...


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Posted 20 November 2021 - 06:03 PM

Yes, but the kid in question was from the US.

 

Also, laws regarding children's privacy are pretty similar no matter which country you are from, parents are the only people allowed to released children's information. I can pretty much guarantee that if you go around releasing your students information, you'll be in big trouble, even in the UK...

 

But my point was, nobody is sharing other people's information. I'm not sharing anyone else's info, I'm not sharing info about my students, and at no point did I ever say anyone should. I'm not sure why you are fixating on releasing other people's info. If a member wants to share then that's up to them. I totally get where you're coming from with the reminder to stay safe on the internet etc. but seriously take a look at the Agony Aunt forum and see what details the kids share in there. There's all sorts of (what I'd think too much) personal stuff about medications, mental health, health issues...... I just think that if we're not policing those threads, then it's a bit OTT to suggest that simply saying "I had a vaccine" is over-sharing medical info. 

 

For info, I'm totally happy sharing that I've been vaccinated against measles, mumps, polio, flu, rubella, tetanus, diptheria, malaria, typhoid, hepatitus, rabies, meningitus and covid-19. I personally don't think sharing that info is putting me at any risk :) I'm not sharing any info about anyone else, and most of those ^ are required to be stated for travel reasons, so I would have to make it public anyway.

 

But yeah, obviously, everyone stay safe.


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Posted 20 November 2021 - 08:52 PM

But my point was, nobody is sharing other people's information. I'm not sharing anyone else's info, I'm not sharing info about my students, and at no point did I ever say anyone should. I'm not sure why you are fixating on releasing other people's info. If a member wants to share then that's up to them. I totally get where you're coming from with the reminder to stay safe on the internet etc. but seriously take a look at the Agony Aunt forum and see what details the kids share in there. There's all sorts of (what I'd think too much) personal stuff about medications, mental health, health issues...... I just think that if we're not policing those threads, then it's a bit OTT to suggest that simply saying "I had a vaccine" is over-sharing medical info. 
 
For info, I'm totally happy sharing that I've been vaccinated against measles, mumps, polio, flu, rubella, tetanus, diptheria, malaria, typhoid, hepatitus, rabies, meningitus and covid-19. I personally don't think sharing that info is putting me at any risk :) I'm not sharing any info about anyone else, and most of those ^ are required to be stated for travel reasons, so I would have to make it public anyway.
 
But yeah, obviously, everyone stay safe.


My point is, that you keep missing is, it's considered private information, regardless of how comfortable you are with sharing it. It doesn't matter how you feel about it, legally, it's private information.

Kids, AGAIN, don't share private information on the internet. That's the point.
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Posted 20 November 2021 - 11:34 PM

I would just like to clarify:
In the US, there are 0 laws saying you cannot share vaccine info. HIPAA info regarding vaccination status:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hipaajournal.com/is-it-a-hipaa-violation-to-ask-for-proof-of-vaccine-status/amp/
Anyone is free to share their vax status, and people are legally allowed to ask about it (in the US)
Personally my twin and I are happy to say that we are vaccinated for COVID
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Posted 21 November 2021 - 12:05 AM

Okay, I agree with Boba and IAT, as long as your parents are okay with it (if you are a child) then go ahead if you are comfortable, your vaccination status is not private information. This topic is for sharing if you are comfortable; if you are vaccinated, you don’t need to into into detail why or why not. It’s simple, I’m vaccinated, I don’t need to share anything else, done. What’s wrong with it? I can always edit it and ask people to delete quotes if I want, if you are uncomfortable sharing, don’t reply, no one’s pressuring you. :)



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Posted 21 November 2021 - 01:03 AM

My point is, that you keep missing is, it's considered private information, regardless of how comfortable you are with sharing it. It doesn't matter how you feel about it, legally, it's private information.

Kids, AGAIN, don't share private information on the internet. That's the point.

 

No, I'm not missing the point. I'm just saying that there's "private information" like my address, bank details, etc. and there's private information like "I once had chickenpox" or "I had a vaccine". One is a harmful thing to share with people, the other really isn't that big a deal. Especially as you shouldn't technically know any *actual* personal details about the underage members here. A person called "hamsterlover2008!" says they've had a meningitis vaccination? How is that an issue? But "hamsterlover2008!" can post all sorts of stuff about their school situation, their job, their mental health and medications they are on, their diagnosis and time in hospital, daily struggles, even info about family... and we don't pick up on that.... why just silence them when it comes to their vaccine status?

 

AGAIN, I'm not advocating for minors (or anyone) to disclose actual personal info, but it's not like you need to jump on the OP for daring to ask a bunch of anonymous strangers about something that literally cannot be used against them in any way? If you honestly think that someone stating if they've had a vaccine or not is somehow over-sharing "private information", then I'd head on over to the Agony Aunt topics and tell almost everyone there to shut up, because minors are sharing and asking for advice on a whole host of medical and mental issues, which, personally, I think goes way beyond "did you get a needle in your arm?". Again, just my opinion, and we clearly seem to differ on this. You seem to have a particular sore point about mentioning vaccinations, and I can recognise when there is a discussion that just isn't going to go anywhere.

 

Anyway, final thought from me because, again, I can see this is going nowhere: to everyone...

 

Being vaccinated or not isn't a thing to be proud or ashamed of. Some of you will have got the vaccine and be pleased, or even proud because maybe you think it might help protect someone (or yourself), or just simply because you overcame a fear of needles! Some of you won't be vaccinated because either your parents don't want you to be, or because you have made your own decision that maybe it's risky or maybe you have other reasons such as religion. Either way, people talking about it isn't a bad thing. Sure, ok, it technically counts as "private info" but then again, so does a LOT of stuff. If you don't want to share it, don't. But don't feel ashamed to say whatever you want. The forum rules are clear about personal info; they quite clearly are meant to protect the identity of members, especially minors:

 

2.1) Privacy concerns – Members under 18 years old are not permitted to post any potentially identifying information on the forum. This includes (but is not limited to) last names, phone numbers, addresses, exact locations, personal email addresses, school names, pictures of themselves, pictures of friends / family, and pictures of the outside of their house.

 

 

Sure, in real life, your medical info is your own business, but it can't be used to identify you just by saying "yes" or "no", which is what the purpose of the rule above is. 

 

[edit to add] This is the similar argument to someone saying "Oh, I don't want to say what country I'm from for safety reasons!!" Dude, if you're in the UK, it's got a population of 67 million people (which is quite small). Knowing that you are in the UK in absolutely no way compromises your safety. AGAIN AGAIN don't give out personal info ^ as in rule above, but giving out what country you are in is about as useful to someone trying to find you as telling them if you're vaccinated or not. Just saying :)


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Posted 21 November 2021 - 01:56 AM

I would just like to clarify:
In the US, there are 0 laws saying you cannot share vaccine info. HIPAA info regarding vaccination status:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hipaajournal.com/is-it-a-hipaa-violation-to-ask-for-proof-of-vaccine-status/amp/
Anyone is free to share their vax status, and people are legally allowed to ask about it (in the US)
Personally my twin and I are happy to say that we are vaccinated for COVID

Notice I said vaccination status is personal medical information, which it is, as defined by many different laws and regulations.

 

Do you know how you know it's personal medical information? Because if someone else released it or tries to collect that information without your knowledge, they could get into big legal trouble.

 

I think the confusion here is between what you SHOULD do and what you can do.

 

Here are the facts:

A) Vaccination status is personal medical information

B) Children should not be giving out personal medical information to strangers (particularly without their parents knowledge or consent)

C) while it's not illegal for YOU to be giving your information, you should get into the habit of protecting your information, particularly online.

 

Creating a topic to ask other people to divulge their own personal information shows that you aren't aware of what is and is not personal medical information, so I was trying to help educate you. You can take it or leave, the choice is yours. I'm just trying to help you think about your future.



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Posted 21 November 2021 - 02:01 AM

Okay, I agree with Boba and IAT, as long as your parents are okay with it (if you are a child) then go ahead if you are comfortable, your vaccination status is not private information. This topic is for sharing if you are comfortable; if you are vaccinated, you don’t need to into into detail why or why not. It’s simple, I’m vaccinated, I don’t need to share anything else, done. What’s wrong with it? I can always edit it and ask people to delete quotes if I want, if you are uncomfortable sharing, don’t reply, no one’s pressuring you. :)

It is private medical information, whether or not you choose to protect it. It's totally up to you, I'm just trying to help and I don't want other feeling pressured to share, especially if they are young and haven't considered whether or not their parents would want them to share.



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Posted 21 November 2021 - 02:17 AM

No, I'm not missing the point. I'm just saying that there's "private information" like my address, bank details, etc. and there's private information like "I once had chickenpox" or "I had a vaccine". One is a harmful thing to share with people, the other really isn't that big a deal. Especially as you shouldn't technically know any *actual* personal details about the underage members here. A person called "hamsterlover2008!" says they've had a meningitis vaccination? How is that an issue? But "hamsterlover2008!" can post all sorts of stuff about their school situation, their job, their mental health and medications they are on, their diagnosis and time in hospital, daily struggles, even info about family... and we don't pick up on that.... why just silence them when it comes to their vaccine status?

 

AGAIN, I'm not advocating for minors (or anyone) to disclose actual personal info, but it's not like you need to jump on the OP for daring to ask a bunch of anonymous strangers about something that literally cannot be used against them in any way? If you honestly think that someone stating if they've had a vaccine or not is somehow over-sharing "private information", then I'd head on over to the Agony Aunt topics and tell almost everyone there to shut up, because minors are sharing and asking for advice on a whole host of medical and mental issues, which, personally, I think goes way beyond "did you get a needle in your arm?". Again, just my opinion, and we clearly seem to differ on this. You seem to have a particular sore point about mentioning vaccinations, and I can recognise when there is a discussion that just isn't going to go anywhere.

 

Anyway, final thought from me because, again, I can see this is going nowhere: to everyone...

 

Being vaccinated or not isn't a thing to be proud or ashamed of. Some of you will have got the vaccine and be pleased, or even proud because maybe you think it might help protect someone (or yourself), or just simply because you overcame a fear of needles! Some of you won't be vaccinated because either your parents don't want you to be, or because you have made your own decision that maybe it's risky or maybe you have other reasons such as religion. Either way, people talking about it isn't a bad thing. Sure, ok, it technically counts as "private info" but then again, so does a LOT of stuff. If you don't want to share it, don't. But don't feel ashamed to say whatever you want. The forum rules are clear about personal info; they quite clearly are meant to protect the identity of members, especially minors:

 

2.1) Privacy concerns – Members under 18 years old are not permitted to post any potentially identifying information on the forum. This includes (but is not limited to) last names, phone numbers, addresses, exact locations, personal email addresses, school names, pictures of themselves, pictures of friends / family, and pictures of the outside of their house.

 

 

Sure, in real life, your medical info is your own business, but it can't be used to identify you just by saying "yes" or "no", which is what the purpose of the rule above is. 

 

[edit to add] This is the similar argument to someone saying "Oh, I don't want to say what country I'm from for safety reasons!!" Dude, if you're in the UK, it's got a population of 67 million people (which is quite small). Knowing that you are in the UK in absolutely no way compromises your safety. AGAIN AGAIN don't give out personal info ^ as in rule above, but giving out what country you are in is about as useful to someone trying to find you as telling them if you're vaccinated or not. Just saying :)

It's more about the fact that kids should start practicing good habits of protecting their personal medical information. It is personal medical information and kids should think about what they divulge online before they do it.

 

Also, I think the difference is between talking casually in chat about something and creating a specific topic to ask people their personal medical information, kids often act on impulse and may answer without thinking or considering that their parents may not want them to share that information.

 

To remind you and everyone else, what I initially said "It's of course, everyone's decision whether or not to vaccinate, but I encourage everyone to keep their personal medical information private." does that sound like me "jumping on someone"? I don't think so.



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Posted 05 December 2021 - 12:23 AM

I am fully vaccinated, and you should get vaccinated to, because in the words of Billie


“It’s not just for you you selfish <fuzzy teddy-bear>, protect your family and your friends!”



I figured I’d get yelled at for this so I thought I’d clarify




It’s important to get vaccinated to protect those around you, to protect the random people you walk by on the street because you don’t know if they can be vaccinated medically, you don’t know if their immune system is compromised, you don’t know if someone their close to immune system
Is compromised. I know it can be scary, I know all the scary headlines can be off putting, but check your sources, trust scientists as they want what’s best for you and the community.


Get vaxxed, get vaxxed, get vaxxed <3

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Posted 05 December 2021 - 08:31 AM

I am fully vaccinated, and you should get vaccinated to, because in the words of Billie


“It’s not just for you you selfish <fuzzy teddy-bear>, protect your family and your friends!”



I figured I’d get yelled at for this so I thought I’d clarify




It’s important to get vaccinated to protect those around you, to protect the random people you walk by on the street because you don’t know if they can be vaccinated medically, you don’t know if their immune system is compromised, you don’t know if someone their close to immune system
Is compromised. I know it can be scary, I know all the scary headlines can be off putting, but check your sources, trust scientists as they want what’s best for you and the community.


Get vaxxed, get vaxxed, get vaxxed <3

Not wanting to spark an argument so much as a debate, but I need to make some points that I believe to be very valid :)

 

As a disclaimer, now, I am not an anti-vaxxer. I have received many vaccinations throughout my life. This one, however, has neither been tested nor documented sufficiently for me to accept it. If my situation gets to the point that I need to accept this vaccine, I probably will. But I will hesitate, long and hard.

 

Every day, scientists come out with new statements regarding numbers of healthy and unhealthy, vaccinated and unvaccinated; what is being documented as regards side effects; how many shots you can and should be getting of said vaccine.

 

I don't want to accept a vaccine if every single day, these scientists tell me something new about it that they didn't know yesterday. Do you really want to accept a vaccine that hasn't been tested enough? These are, essentially, human trials. And they're literally injecting millions of people. What if something goes wrong further down the line? What are we all supposed to do then? Just...die? 

 

Where I live (not disclosing location due to privacy reasons), there are literally more vaccinated people in hospital than unvaccinated. Suspicious?

 

The vaccine, judging by the numbers in my area, isn't working. It isn't doing its job nearly as well as the authorities claim. It should be protecting people. We shouldn't be injecting the majority of the population with a brand new vaccine (that you can never reverse, remember) that isn't even doing what its supposed to do. That's just common sense. 

 

The way I see it is a disease springs up. They make a vaccine in less than a year and begin handing out to everyone without testing it for more than several months. Now a huge chunk of the global population has this vaccine in their bodies, and it can never be removed. What's done is done. Skip forward a little bit. The vaccine is failing to do its job. Vaccinated people are still getting sick and ending up in hospital, sometimes the vaccinated number exceeding the unvaccinated. Records are insufficient and data isn't consistent. 

 

Now you're telling me I may have to get not only two shots of this mystery substance, but a third booster? When the first two did nothing to protect me from covid?

 

And that brings me to another point. The authorities, scientists, the "big guys" may I say, have confirmed that the vaccine does not prevent the disease. It only reduces symptoms. Meaning people around you can still get it. You can still transmit the disease. And if this vaccine isn't protecting us anyway (as numbers of hospitalized, vaccinated patients certainly suggest), we are doing literally nothing to help by injecting ourselves.

 

Bottom line, something is fishy. No one seems to know much about this vaccine, even the scientists and doctors themselves. I don't know about everybody else, but I don't trust the government nearly enough to listen to everything they say. Politicians are liars. That's just a fact, and everybody knows it. How can we trust them, especially when it comes to our personal health and safety?

 

People are blindly following, and not taking enough time to think about all this. A major benefit of not getting the vaccine up to now is that I have been able to watch things unfold. I have seen all this, and it makes me even more hesitant to get said vaccine. 

 

Add to all of this the fact that they're encouraging children to get it, even bribing.

 

My biggest point is that we don't know enough about this vaccine to inject everyone with it. 

 

If you want to get it, okay. I'm not going to stop you and I will do my best to refrain judgement. However, I think people need to, at the very least, try to understand where people against this vaccine are coming from, and why they have refused it thus far.

 

Now my rant is over, and I'm sure I'll get opposing comments. I may not have good responses, be aware. I'm not all-knowing and I don't pretend to be :) :)

 

This is rather harsh-sounding, so I'm going to add a couple smiley faces here and there to try to lift the vibe...


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Posted 05 December 2021 - 10:27 AM


I also don’t want to spark much debate, but I’d just like to point you can do research yourself on how mRNA vaccines work, why sometimes they don’t work perfectly, and why booster shots are needed (for reference, it has nothing to do with the fact that the first two were bad in any way, it’s just to keep your immune system up to speed and to protect against variants). A lot of this reads as if you’re not really sure what the vaccine is, which is completely understandable, but to say the people who have spent the last year researching it don’t know what they’re doing or haven’t done any clinical trials simply isn’t true.

Are politicians corrupt? Yes. Do they exaggerate things (ex this vaccine will solve everything!! Bye bye masks!)? 1000%. Do they understand science? Not really, and that’s why we shouldn’t follow them for medical advice. Sure, they have advisors, but guess what, they’re likely going to be politically biased too. The best person to talk to is going to be your healthcare provider if you’re at all concerned about the safety of the vaccine. If they’re good they really care about you and your safety, plus they know about the science to back it up, not just about covid, but about coronaviruses, immunology, and/or virology as a whole.

So, one last time, if you have any concerns, please please please see a professional to talk about it. :)
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