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#1 SyrianPumpkin

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 04:58 AM

I'd Like to start off my saying:

Please note that HH does not encourage deliberate breeding of hamsters. If you wish to get more hamsters, consider adopting them from a shelter or the HH Adoption section. This section is to be used for answering questions relating to accidental breeding of hamsters and how to cope with the situation.


There are only 5 species of domesticated hamsters. They are:
  • Syrian
  • Chinese
  • Winter White
  • Campbell Russian Dwarf
  • Roborovski

What is Cross Breeding?
Cross breeding is breeding hamsters of different Species (the above mentioned 5) together.

A crossbreed or crossbred usually refers to an animal with purebred parents of two different breeds, varieties, or populations. Crossbreeding refers to the process of breeding such an animal, often with the intention to create offspring that share the traits of both parent lineages, or producing an animal with hybrid vigor. While crossbreeding is used to maintain health and viability of animals, irresponsible crossbreeding can also produce animals of inferior quality or dilute a purebred gene pool to the point of extinction of a given breed of animal




Why you CANNOT Cross Breed.
If you have noticed, you will know that all the 5 species have different body shapes, bone structure and size. The most common misconception is between Campbell Russian dwarfs & Winter White dwarfs because, many take them both to be the same species when they are not, it is because they are closely related and can technically cross breed while none of the other species can; but that it is right.


An Example of Cross breeding would be say a Lion and Tiger Bred it would then Become a hybrid : Ligers. Or if a Horse and a donkey bred it would become a hybrid : Mule




The breeding of a Syrian hamster and a dwarf hamster is impossible. These 2 species of hamsters don't "interbreed". The only species of hamsters that can "technically" breed is a "Winter-White" dwarf and a "Campbells" dwarf but they are [two separate species] and it ain't a good idea to breed them because breeding them will create "hybrid" pups, and "hybrid" pups will be subject to different health problems.


Both the Campbell and the Winter White are similar species but they are slightly different in their genetic makeup. They come from different areas of Russia, in the wild they would eat slightly different foods, and if they did meet in the wild they would ignore each other because they knew that mating to each other wouldn't really prove anything, as it would weaken the gene pool and weaken the stock.

Captive bred hamsters don't have that luxury, we choose the mates for them, we don't care if they carry or suffer with diabetes, kidney failure, glaucoma, cancer, missing limbs or ears, I could carry on, but here we have a breeder who totally disregards the rules of breeding hamsters and crosses the species.

So to go back to basics. The word 'hybrid' describes a crossbreed, a mixture of a Winter White and a Russian Campbell, which means that they will carry the characteristics of both parents. This is similar to a crossbreed dog rather than a mongrel, a crossbreed requires two different parents a mongrel requires the two crossbreeds mated again resulting in 4 or more different breeds. But and this is the big but, it can not be bred out, if you have a crossbreed or a mongrel you will not by selective breeding come back to a pure bred animal.

Mating a Winter White to a Russian Campbell can and probably will produce no end of problems, firstly any resulting off spring may be infertile, which is good to the extent that if they are the problem stops there, but this has to be proven, and there will always be the odd one which isn't.
The Winter White and Campbell are also constructed slightly differently, which in turn can cause problems in the production of litters, especially if it's the Winter White that is carrying, because of the slightly wider head of the Campbell the Winter Whites birth canal is not geared up for big headed babies, resulting in the possible loss of the litter and possibly the female too.

Secondly both species are flushing up various health problems, the biggest is diabetes in the Campbells and the Glaucoma in Winter Whites crossing these two species will inevitably cross these two illnesses.



In Conclusion, Do not cross breed, be responsible and do not cross breed trying to get new color mutations; Cross breeding is unethical and does nothing to help better either species of hamster.


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Posted 13 October 2012 - 06:30 AM

Just wondering in the wild would hamsters cross species ? If so is there any particular type of hamster that has been "made" (Is that the right work :S ) That is like this?

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 06:47 AM

No, They would only breed with the species they are, Also I think almost every species of hamsters live in different regions so they would never have to come in contact they are just like how a Lion and a Tiger would never breed in the wild, it's because they were Forced, To breed.

Edited by SyrianPumpkin, 13 October 2012 - 08:16 AM.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 08:02 AM

Great topic, SP!

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 03:09 PM

No, They would only breed with the species they are, Also I think almost every species of hamsters live in different regions so they would never have to come in contact they are just like how a Lion and a Tiger would never breed in the wild, it's because they were Forced, To breed.


Wow so technically cross breeding is like Cruelty since it's so unnatural
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Posted 13 October 2012 - 07:00 PM

Brilliantly written up, Tori :) Now that accursed other topic can be unpinned and buried, and this one pinned in its stead :D

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 06:18 PM

Thumbs up for SP!

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 11:25 PM

Great Topic! Valid information

That old topic is DEAD

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 02:27 AM

Awesome topic! Agreed with every word you said :)

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 01:50 PM

Just to add the scientific aspect. Animals have post-zygotic and pre-zygotic barriers that prevent them from carrying through with a pregnancy. Pre-zygotic barriers include things like: A cat and a dog of different genders simply are not sexually appealed to one another, two species of finches breed in different seasons, species of plants breed in different time frames, and different species having genital that are too big/small or don't fit one another..if you get what I mean. Post-zygotic barriers mean the animals do breed, but the sperm and egg do not properly attach for whatever reasons. This could mean the cross-species hamsters may mate, but the pregnancy never occurs, because for example: the uterus may maintain a temperature unreasonable for the sperm, the DNA may not be able to sequence properly, etc. SO. Mother nature has it's laws on breeding, which is why we don't have ligers, and cat-dog's everywhere. As far as mule's go, and exceptions like that, the DNA sequence causes them to have permanent zygotic barriers which prevent them from being fertile period. As far as cruelty, I think it's just more of a lack of basic education and respect for mother nature's rules. As cool as it would be, you can't breed a sunflower with an orchid, and create some bomb sub-species. Why? Because we have these barriers. So even if someone left two different species to breed, it's unlikely it would happen because of this, but would leave the animals in stress etc, because they still may attempt to breed, but post-zygotic barriers would interrupt conception. And as stated, you risk creating "mules" or mutated forms of litters, which can have a variation of issues. That's my educational bit! lol

Edited by ajense11, 25 November 2012 - 02:09 PM.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 02:43 PM

I am not cross the bread hamsters. this could means the cross species hamster my mate but the pregnancy never occurs.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 02:43 AM

Agreed cross breeding shoulden't be aloud and can cause problems to the pup the two different species produced.I think some people think cross breeding is good because when two diffrent breeds of DOG breed they produce a 'mungral' (a dog of two different breeds.) and ussialy a mungral dosen't have as many problems as a pedigree (a dog that's parents were both the same breed) unless you breed something like a chihuahua and a labrador that woulden't be good cus a labrador is massive and a chihuahua is small.But this is what I don't understand you woulden't breed a chihuahua wich is tiny and a labrador wich is massive so why would you breed a cambell dwarf wich is way smaller than a syrian with a syrian I just don't understand cross breeding in hamsters it honestly annoys me.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 02:56 AM

Well, you can't cross breed a syrian and a campbell. The only two species of hamsters that can be crossbred are the campbells and winter white. And it is different in dogs because dogs are the same species where hamsters are not.
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Posted 05 May 2013 - 05:35 AM

I adopted a Campbell's-Winter White Mix several years ago. This hamster had neurological problems and was diabetic when I got him. It was really sad and I did everything I could for him but he still died young. He also had dental problems that required frequent veterinary attention. It seemed like he was always angry and in pain.

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 05:30 AM

Great topic. A lot of cross breeds die young. It's tragic...........