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[foxxyy]

sometimes i get cramps really really bad. One time last year, i was in so much pain that my mom thought my abdomin burst. She took me to the hospital but it ended up it was just extremely bad cramps causing this. I was on IV meds to help that night. I sometimes get them heavy also but pretty much have been alright so far this year.

but i will try some of those ideas because it will sure help me if they get bad again!

[wiffy]

what is the recommended daily dosage for EPO? 500mg? 1000 mg?

i was thinking perhaps abt 500 mg per day, then increase the dosage to 1000 mg per day 1 week before the cursed day...is this a good idea?

[cow32323]

I once wrote an article for Todays Parents .It was a 3 page feature so tis kind of long

Here it is .

This is Part 1 of the original draft which was edited and published in Todays Parents Sept 2002 ( Singapore ) .

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Part 1
The initial years , how i found out and medications
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The initial years of my introduction to womanhood were pain free. However in my mid teens I had my first cramps. They would put me out of action for up to 3 hours at a stretch then which was nothing compared to what I got in adulthood.

I recall a particularly bad bout I had which left me nauseous . I ended up vomiting and lying on the toilet floor because I hadn’t the energy to walk back to the bedroom to lie down . This was unfortunately just the beginning. One such prolonged attack came in the middle of the night and I started wondering if it was appendicitis . The pain started at my lower right abdomen and it spread across the middle in what I would describe as an intense contraction and deep pain . It wasn’t a contraction that eased off but intensified as the hours passed. Then hit a peak and eased off .

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From once or so each week of my cycle to more and more often and then there came a point when medications became necessary for me to get past these attacks.

Panadol ( paracetamol ) turned out to be useless and it took a long time to take effect by which time I would have started feeling nauseous . I didn’t know much about endometriosis then but upon hindsight , it was probably the start of the disease . Few elders were willing to talk about periods and it was often hushed up . I got the impression that it was taboo . During the worst of these attacks I would be dealing with waves of contractions .

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The two years I spent as a trainee teacher were a horror . I was sometimes forced to miss lectures and training sessions as I collapsed in the sick bay . It was then that I first heard of endometriosis and that there was no need to suffer in silence because medications were available to control the pain . Ponstan was one of the first recommended to me by a colleague who too suffered from this problem .

I consulted a doctor and started on it . An understanding lecturer referred me to a relative of his who started me on synflex and that worked for awhile . Another not so understanding one stared at me when I was doubled over one day unable to walk and asked , "Is it really THAT BAD ???" Someone ticked him off and said why yes it was , in fact she had been to the hospital for this problem and had to have a jab .

I soon learnt through trial and error after some painful years that once the cramps hit , no amount of pain medications would ease it off , and that you needed to recognise the symptoms to take it before it struck . This was easier said than done . Sometimes the first waves would hit say while you were on the move and by the time one got to a convenient place to eat something to take the painkiller with , it would be too late . At the first school where I was posted I would often get struck and have to take time off . Several times I had to leave to get to the hospital or report late for work because the pains had hit and the medications were taking their own sweet time to work .

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It was about this time that a colleague who had been diagnosed with endometriosis urged me to see a gynaecologist . I was taken aback at first because I was then not married and of course still a virgin . The very thought of instruments going up my bottom was repelling . Months passed and I finally gave in . I went initially to a private gynaecologist . A vaginal examination was abandoned as I found it uncomfortable . The doctor found another way . He palpated my middle with one finger in the rectum and that was a lot more comfortable . A scan revealed a fibroid . This cost a lot of money and once I had my civil service card which entitled me to a subsidy I got a referral and saw a gynaecologist at a local hospital . The entire unit has since moved to the KK Women’s and Children’s’ Hospital . This turned out to be the best decision I ever made .

The doctor recommended synflex too and I have since been on that particular painkiller at various dosages . Maybe I am biased but I received nothing but total sympathy and understanding from the gynaecologists I have been with at KKH . They made me feel as though I was not just imagining the thing and pain . As I described my pains and odd symptoms to the first KKH gynae I was with , he mused , "This sounds like endomertiosis ." At this stage because the pain could still be controlled by painkillers , he decided against the aggressive approach . I wondered aloud if I would become immune to the painkillers to which he said no . If it ever got to the point where they stopped working it would probably mean that the disease was getting too big a scope for this range of medication to handle
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Part 2 :
Misguided advice , surgery , it comes back . Dark days

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This was a comfort to hear as I was then bombarded with well meaning but misguided advice from colleagues and anyone who wanted his or her two cents worth .

1) Don’t drink iced tea . That is the cause of your pains . ( when I pointed out that my pains had started in my teens and that I started drinking iced tea only in my 20s , that usually shut them up fast ) .

2) One elderly colleague said , "quick eat a bar of chocolate it will stop the pain ." I gave her a stare . I was then in the middle of another attack and was in no condition to argue .

3) "It must be because of your tampons ." and no amount of explaining would convince those persons it wasn’t so . I mean when you are in the middle of such an attack the last thing you want to do is to have to defend yourself from someone who insists on a 15 minute lecture . For that matter a pal of mine whom I introduced to tampons insisted that her pains stopped when she started using tampons .

4) "Pineapple it must be pineapple ." That person was taken aback to learn that till today I do not like pineapple and do not eat it if I can help it .

5) "You mean you have to take painkillers regularly ? You had better stop it at once . It is dangerous and stupid . I don’t even take one ." I got this line most frequently from people who do not have severe and extreme cramps . Fellow sufferers whom I related this story to would often wish that person a labour from <basement> without medication .

6) It certainly wasn’t an immunity problem either and many people got angry when I said it wasn’t do no matter how politely I spoke . Till today I seldom get influenza and the likes . I have come to a point whereby I now just get plain rude outright : Go read up on the disease before you discuss it further with me .

Such were the comments I got . It was tiring .

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Months passed . One day I woke to the disturbing fact that I had overdosed ( OD in medi-speak ) . The pain was so intense I had take an extra two 275mg tablets without much thought . I had forgotten that day to mark the doses I had taken . What was even more disturbing was that I was still in pain until hours later . I called the hospital and managed to speak to the doctor who urged me to come in for an emergency consult . I was scheduled for a laparascopy the following week . I remember lying on a trolley feeling odd as my gown was open backed and the Operating Theatre was cold . I was out cold before I could say anything .

When I woke up to the sound of someone calling my name my gynaecologist’s face appeared and I asked them what they had found . The diagnosis was confirmed and I was officially an endo victim and had a fibroid to boot . I found out after my 2nd surgery that because removal would cause possible problems ( I am making an educated GUESS here that it could be because of its position ) in a pregnancy it was then safer to leave it in . 6 months of Danazol followed and it was bliss despite the side effects . I spotted off and on , had my skin break out , had mild nausea but it was bliss not having to worry about having to time my painkillers .

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I was pain free for about a year before it started coming back gradually . I got married in my late 20s and my first child was probably clomid induced . I had been put on it to regulate my menses as it had gone heywire . I had requested to have my period deferred once as I didn’t want to bleed on my wedding day . I went off the pill immediately after only to find that the pains for some strange reason had turned from unbearable to excruciating . What had escaped my notice until now after my 2nd surgery was that the flow had become heavier . I mean no one stands by the loo counting tampons !!! It is only when someone else points out the fact to you or when you get questioned by the doctor that one starts thinking .

Another myth that surfaced at about this time was ‘have a child and you pains will lessen or disappear .’ Well I wanted children but certainly not for those reasons . After each child my pains again returned as before , gradually until one day it hits upon you that you are back where your were before . Thankfully despite the medications , I was able to breastfeed successfully my older child for a year and my younger one for 4.5 years . I was taught to start taking the medication before the period came and to continue with it at regular intervals until it had passed . Often I chose to go the heroic but foolish way that was to forget one dose .. or to try and do without it but ended up vomiting and in pain . Something my 2nd gynae said struck me as true , "Don’t try to be heroic or you will end up fainting in a place where no one knows you or your problem ."
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Part 3 :
Coping , the 2nd surgery , what now
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I had settled into a pattern by then . I learnt to recognise the symptoms of an oncoming cramp or period . I would get food cravings mid month and nausea or have irritable bowel symptoms or excessive burping which was annoying . It would go on until my flow started and then I would be faced with how to cope with pain . I sympathised deeply with a pen pal who lived in the USA . As regularly as her pains hit , she got struck by diarrhoea and cramps . This went on for another 6 or so years . I had grown used to coping until recent months when the old pattern of needing that one extra tablet came back . Again I overdosed this time knowingly but in desperation . I suspected that the endo had grown back and in full force .

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What happened next was pretty much a repetition of the first call for surgery except for one drawback . The day after I was booked in for the procedure my current doctor and gynaecologist called with some bad news . I was severely anaemic with a hb count of 7.5 . Except for one occasion where I was borderline , I had had blood taken on other occasions for various tests and was never anaemic . In fact I had always been well within the range of 11 to 14 . My diet hasn’t changed much all these years so I figured after discussion with fellow sufferers it probably wasn’t related to the diet . This was a shock . I realised after some brain racking ( again another educated guess ) that with a low blood count , that would mean any accidental severe bleeding during surgery would result in a possible scenario of O2 deprivation to the brain . I was instructed to megadose on iron tablets . 3 worrying days . I was worried that if surgery was postponed I would have to face another month of pain . Even though my period had finished I was still in pain with a dull ache at my side going down one leg . I was worried too because a postponement of afew days to let the hb count go up , would mean the possibility of no baby sitting as my family was going out of the country . The medical people had decided on a D and C as well to exclude the possibility of hidden polyps in my womb that caused the extra bleeding and contributed to the anaemia . I signed the consent forms with relief .. relief because finally I was going to get that dratted curse dealt with.

Thankfully I made it to the critical level . It went ahead as planned . The last thing I remember was me rattling on about how I would have preferred to be awake , so that if I was in pain I could complain . I had this fear of half waking up during surgery unable to mouth that I was in pain . The anaesthetist was probably thinking that he would have to knock me out FAST so that the good doctor haha!!! could carry on with his work . I woke rattling , my tongue running away with me after the surgery until the nurse with controlled amusement in her voice said that there were many people about me .

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Another lady doctor who had been on the team showed me the photographs they had taken . I had endo spots on the ovary on that side that had been bothering me . Even in the haze , I noticed that the odd ache I had been living with for the last two weeks was gone . Needless to say they were elsewhere as well . I was discharged that day and had a lucrin injection before I went home . I spent most of the first day just sleeping . Post surgery I coped well as long as I didn’t try to lift anything heavier than I could reasonably manage . Sleeping in an odd position or lifting something abit too ambitious resulted as I found out to my dismay , in a pulling sensation at my side . Post OP old wives tales surfaced in all uninvited directions . Don’t drink cold water etc etc . Sometimes I think that the very reason why some of the older ladies are facing aches and pains is because they have abstained from too many different foods . That and osteoporosis is probably another cause as the traditional Chinese diet is bereft of dairy products . I guess I am an oddball . I don’t take to heat very well .Drinking too many warm or hot drinks often brings on a sore throat . I now take all my drinks chilled and hardly get a bad throat .

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Endometriosis is basically the endometrium spilling over to the outside of the womb . What I understand is that when your monthly hormones cause the inner lining to be shed as menstruation , the outer spots go through their own cycle too . This often causes adhesions and scarring . What is even more frightening is that many women have it but don’t know it . Often their first symptom is an inability to conceive . This often delays parenthood by afew years .
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Part 4 :

Its lonely ...
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Endometriosis is a lonely disease . People are often too free with their own misguided ideas on what causes menstrual cramps and fail to listen to the person who is suffering the pain . They are quick to label you a drug addict or imply that you are one because often the victim doesn’t look at all ill . I turned to internet groups and found to my dismay that there were no Singapore based lists or forums then on the search results . I joined overseas based groups only to retreat because I found them unresponsive . I couldn’t blame them as many women were from the USA and they didn’t quite use the same drugs with the same names there .

mei

Edited by cow32323, 04 August 2004 - 11:50 PM.

[monkeysmom]

My dear Cow~

Your heart-wrenching tale made my eyes tear as I read through everything you have gone through since your teenage years. You and I have talked about these issues privately, but I never realized to what extent you have been plagued. My heart, thoughts and prayers go out to you while you make this last difficult decision. I know that whatever you decide, will be what is best for you. Follow your heart.

I cannot believe the pain you have had to endure. I cannot relate to the Endometriosis, but I do suffer from IBS, which in itself can be debilitating. You never know when it will hit you, but when it does you are on your knees on the floor. The pain can be so excruitating that you wish you could pass out. I have suffered from this for years. Mostly, I play the "heroic" and if it last no longer than 2-3 hours then I suffer through it, otherwise, I take the medicine the doctor prescribed to me which is Bella Donna. It is a very strong tranquilizer. He told me that pain medication does not work that you have to use the tranquilizer to actually get the muscles to stop spasming, but it is guaranteed to knock you out for at least 6-8 hours, hence why I always try and just struggle through it. But after about 3 hours I am usually so exhausted I have to take the medication. Of course, each bout is different. Sometimes it is easier than others and other times are just almost beyond your pain tolerances.

You know that I am always here for you when you need to talk. We have to remember that God never gives us more than we can handle...it may strain us a little bit....but what doesn't kill us only makes us stronger!

Have faith, things will get better, hold on to your friends, and gain strength from them!

~ Monkeysmom

[cow32323]

My recent stays in hospital have been the result ( they now discovered by exclusion) of hormones

SO Im currently in pseudo menopause . My gynae has given me a jab to shut down my ovaries for a three month period ad I have not had any episodes of break through nausea since it kicked in.

I have puked but it was minor compared to before the jab

These last 4 months I had IBS like symptoms . But i realise now that my intestinal adhesions have only a minor role tp play in this . Its mainly my hormones

My sympathies Monkeysmom . I knw what chronic pain is like .

mei

[cow32323]

The reason why I wrote out the article was that I hoped that by sharing my experience .. other ladies would not have to suffer for so many years as i did

This is the result of all those years of pain

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I had a hysterectomy done -
diary of events .
6th Feb '04

I finally had a hysterectomy done .I have had a long history of period pains and as I entered my 30s the quality of life I had was very low .My bleeding was getting to a point where I could over flow a fresh pad just by walking .Month after month It went on . Just recently after my 2nd laparascopy , I had fleeting thoughts of getting a hysterectomy . The hormone treatment to buy me rest time was not really working as after I went off it the pains came back .Three weeks of every month were marred by pain or nausea . DH and I made a last ditched effort to have another baby before the inevitable happened . Even with clomid our chances were very low .

31st Dec '03 Wednesday
I had period pains for 4 days straight .I managed to get the hospital to squeeze me in for an emergency consult with my Doctor . For whatever the reason ( mis-timed meds , etc etc ) my oral pain meds had failed .

The Doctor gave me a pethidine jab . I was told to rest for abit . Although I felt ok , I was extremely sleepy and felt out of it . 6 hours later I started throwing up . This carried on for afew days . I couldnt even retain water . somehow I managed to continue with my normal routine even bringing my Daughter to the zoo .I was unknowingly getting very dehydrated .

That night I went to the 24 hour clinic at the women's hospital where my doctor is based . The medical officer on duty admitted me and said I was dehydrated .I was put on a drip for a day or two . When I finally got discharged two or three days later I was starting to think it would be a good idea to get a hysterectomy .I finally told DH ," IM hanging on for your sake , but if it comes to a point where I can't take the pain anymore , my womb will have to come out ."

Perhaps because he had seen me doubled up so many months in a row he was more supportive of the idea now .

28th Jan '04 Wednesday
This is the 2nd time in 30 days i had a collapse because of pain .
I have endometriosis and adenomyosis . My Dr said that my chances of having another child were very slim . I therefore decided to have a hysterectomy .

My periods had been getting increasingly hard to cope with .

My following cycle was 4 or 5 days late which was odd because I was on clomid ... so pregnancy was also a possibility . Then I started bleeding . I had a beta hCG blood test done . The day the results were due out , I collapsed from pain . Doubled over , I managed to crawl to the bedroom where I called DH from my mobile .

He came home , got the kids and me into a cab somehow and after dropping the kids off at MILs he ferried me to the ER or AnE to SG folks .

Before I left the house , my doctor returned my call on my mobile , and instructed me to go straight to the ER of the hospital where he saw me for my check ups . He said that I should ask for admission and he would see me in the wards .I had to be half dragged out of the cab because I was almost blacking out . An attendent shoved a wheelchair under my bum .

They did basic pain management for a day or two . During this time he saw me after having sent me for a scan . He told me my chances of having another child were practically very close to zero . I could buy time with a lucrin jab to surpress my menses but it would eventually come back . There and thenI said get it out . I signed the papers .

30th Jan '04 Fri
At the OT , I had a happy chat with the anaesthetist (sp???) and then she said here he comes , and started the process of putting me under GA .

I went,"what ?"

She laughed ,"hey you are going to sleep." ... and I was out like a light . The next thing I knew I was awake and gripping the bed and the handof any passing nurse after the surgery . The pain was incredible . Post OP I threw up for almost over 24 hours .

This carried on until they switched pain meds . I had to retrain my tummy to acept fluids and even that hardly stayed down . I am now eating again but I can't eat as much as I used to .

The hospital staff were great .From the OT staff to my doctor , the nurses and even the attendants . They didn't make me feel as though I was some digit in a ward .I will never forget the nurse who patiently patted my back while I threw up for the X-th time .

I got out of bed only on the third day . The staff didnt allow me to get out any earlier because of my not being able to retain anything even water . I was very faint most of the time and tired from constantly retching .

Late one night I had a backflow in my drip tube . It was flushed but started leaking later and it was removed . During my sleep too I had somehow yanked out my catheter ( sp ??? ) .

Once I was up, I felt so much better ... although abit sore . I realised the hard way I could not stomach a full meal .

4th Feb '04
There has hardly been anyone at home for the last week and my flat can rot for all I care . The first thing I did upon my return was to give my hamsters fresh cages . The used ones had to wait for a wash .

Part of me is aching because I will never again have another pregnancy ... but I'm also TOTALLY relieved that I got the hysterectomy done because I will never again have to worry abt tampax and pain . I will still get endo pains but what is left for eg on the rectum ( considered inoperable ) can be controlled by meds . I'm feeling so much better .

6 Feb '04 Fri
Im tired after the simplest task and I am still abit sore . However I am looking forward to having some quality of life again .

PS : I had my first pains in my teens . Frankly knowing what I do now about the disease , I honestly wish someone had prodded me towards a gynae rather than stifle it with ," Its just part of woman hood , bear up with it . " .

I only found out about endometriosis in my 20s . By then it was too late .
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I had my womb removed :

My advice to women

who are wanting a hysterectomy

or are going to have one



For some time before the surgery , I sought a 2nd opinion form a consult with a friend who practices medicine .I'm crawling towards 38 .. yet I trust my Doctor's opinion.

I have lived with 20 over years of pain . My hb count once dropped to 7.5 . Three weeks out of every month are marred by pain or nausea .

Post surgery I'm not quite the way I was before . I don't take too well to GA . But for Ladies like me even though DH and I wanted another baby .. ( we have two kids ) .. especially after a collapse at home .. the time had come to get it out despite the dangers of surgery .

I had no quality of life . Part of me will always wish for that last baby we will never have . But yes I would say I would not change the decision to have a hysterectomy . Mine was not a life threatening illness . BUT I had no life. I might as well have gone off a cliff for all the pain I had .

For any woman in my situation yes I would advice a hysterectomy . There must be a balance between the dangers from surgery and what quality of life you have .

I would say that for the first time in 20 over years I slept soundly knowing I would not wake up tomorrow to soaked sheets . I used to have to walk out with two pads and a tampax .Even then, I could not wander far from home .

I could sit on the floor and when I got up, a puddle would be there even though the pad was fresh . Hormone treatments , DnCs , two laparascopies only bought time . The pains came back .

I remember only too well the lady who told me in a shocked tone : oh my god the womb is personal don't remove it !!! ( I was getting annoyed and said to myself then you can jolly well get personal with my pain )

If I were to live life over .. I would go the same path and get it removed . For women who are waiting and wanting another baby or a first .. its a balance between how much they want another and how much pain they are willing to put up with ... with each unsuccessful cycle .

I only say no one deserves to live with this pain . If they feel they can cope then Its not my life to run either . I only say i think it should go .. not it must go .Ultimately the final decision lies between the woman , her other half and her doctor .

A potential hysterectomy patient is posting to seek opinions .. but the final decision is hers . There will be those who advise for or against .Like most other women on the forum , Im well aware of the dangers of surgery . I can either sit and cry about it or I can try and look on the lighter side of things ... trying to find humour in bleeding on surgery day , The anaesthetist going ,"Im about to knock you out" jokes .. the pain post surgery ( believe me I gripped the bed and the hand of any nurse unfortunate enough to pass and rest a hand on my bed ) . Surgery is painful . But one must weight the pros and cons

To any lady who wants or needs a hysterectomy and happens to read this .My heart goes out to you in your predicament . Good luck and the best of health to you .Seek a 2nd opinion if you have to , but after having weighed the pros and cons make a decision and get on with life .




Cheers

mei

1 March

Hysterectomy 30th Jan 04

[cow32323]

medications I have been on ( painkillers )

1) panadol ( useless)
2) ponstan
3) synflex
4) vioxx
5) pethidine ( whenit got to this stage I said GET IT OUT ) ... no way I want to live on nacortics for the rest of my life

I worried once years ago about getting immune . My 2nd gynae said : when tyou find that the medication stops working its usually not because you are getting immune ... but the problem is growing too big for this scope fo medicine to handle

mei

[monkeysmom]

Although I am still considered "young" ...hopefully I won't have to put up with any of this for much longer! The women in my family go through the "change" very early in life. I have been going through the different "stages" of perio for a few years now. I just wish it would get over and done with already!

[cow32323]

good grief it can drag and drag . Mom said that Asian women start showing signs of it from 35 onwards ... some months they get it some they dont .. until years later it comes on more often and eventually you are in menopause.

my Gynae said Im not at the change of life yet . But he induced a state of pseudo menopause to relieve my nausea

mei

[estaefran]

Hi,

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Edited by estaefran, 07 September 2004 - 10:37 PM.

[monkeysmom]

Just curious...does anyone else suffer from light-headedness because of hormone fluctuations?

~ monkeysmom

Edited by monkeysmom, 11 September 2004 - 10:21 AM.

[missPixy]

mm~~ no, all i get are the announcement migraine a day before my Dot, and then the departure migraine on the end. sorta like bookends!

i really hate 95% of all traditional doctors. they don't understand the human body anymore, all they understand is what meds the pharmaceutical company sent them that matches the symptoms you say you have. doctors nowadays don't even seem to try to figure out the underlying cause of problems.

that's why i went to a naturopath. she actually understands the body, understands what's missing and works to remedy the underlying cause. my migraines could eventually be figured out but i don't have health coverage (at my age, approx. $400USD a month) and i can't use it with a naturopath anyway, so i can't afford the tests that would reveal what hormones are in flux during that time. but there are saliva tests, etc, that pinpoint which hormones are causing problems at that time of the month.

[wiffy]

i have giddy spells before and during the dot (as mP puts it ) i think the "blood loss" and my lower than normal blood pressure may have attributed to this.

last month, i ate 1000 mg of evening primrose oil daily and i am happy that the moodiness i get from pms was significantly reduced to the point where i didn't even notice much until the actual day of the dot. however the cramps were still horrible but quite easily gotten rid of with pain killers. this reminds me that i haven't been eating the EPO for some time, I better get started soon~

[cow32323]

Dont let anyone tell you its all in your head . These [ast few months have seen me with very bad PMS and nausea .

I have been in and out of hospital as Drs tried to isolate the cause

It finally loked like a hormonal issue and after many trips to the ER I opted for a BSO to remove my ovaries .
My gynae also proposed some work to free my gut adhesions

When they opened me up my insides were a mess

I was in the OT for over two hours and in pain when I woke .

One irritating lady roomate at another hospital even laughingly teased and said I was pregnant when I told her point off that I had had a hysterectomy . People can be so irritating some days

I can only imagine if I had listen to others and tried all kinds of local cures the problem would just have remained undiscovered . The flare up in the size of my ovaries was just over 7 mths as my ovaries were normal in Jan .A normal sized one is about that of an almond . Mine was bout 6 cm??? +/- Just under thre e inches


mei

Edited by cow32323, 13 September 2004 - 03:24 PM.

[missPixy]

i have giddy spells before and during the dot (as mP puts it ) i think the "blood loss" and my lower than normal blood pressure may have attributed to this.

last month, i ate 1000 mg of evening primrose oil daily and i am happy that the moodiness i get from pms was significantly reduced to the point where i didn't even notice much until the actual day of the dot. however the cramps were still horrible but quite easily gotten rid of with pain killers. this reminds me that i haven't been eating the EPO for some time, I better get started soon~

hB:: the cal-mag supplements really are an important part of the EPO dot regimine~~ help tone smooth muscles and make them less susceptible to cramps~~ 1200-1500mg 1X/day for 2 weeks prior to the Dot